Chapter 2410 is a character


    The debate in Qinglong Temple is still going on.


    Sometimes the debate is really about clarifying the truth, but sometimes it is not. It''s like a saying that says "reasons don''t lie in loud voices", but many times it is "crying children get milk".


    Is it contradictory? In fact, it is not contradictory.


    Like Lu Yu, it seems that the moment is for debate, not all for debate.


    Lu Zhi is upright, but not infinitely upright.


    The same is true for Lu Yu.


    When Lu Zhi encountered something he didn''t like, he would speak out. Even if he offended the emperor and eunuchs because of this, he would not be afraid, but he would feel that the momentum was wrong and return home angrily.


    As for Lu Yu, it''s almost the same...


    But both father and son have a problem, that is, they only think that "clear flow" is the last word.


    The problem is that in this world, Qingliu is not the "hard truth" at all. It''s like many people like to comment on something high above, but they don''t know that most of the time, it''s half a bucket of water that sloshes more and more. These clear-minded people in the Han Dynasty gave themselves some titles, because they thought they were such characters, so they pointed out more and more and spoke passionately.


    In the early days, Qingliu was indeed worried about the country, and his goal was to help the big man. However, any organization that can generate interests will inevitably avoid those speculators who come because of interests.


    The times are developing and the society is advancing. The whole world is in the midst of great changes and chaos, not only Guanzhong Sansuke, but other places are also changing.


    Xuzhou, Yanzhou, and Yuzhou areas are among the gentry areas in Shandong, which are relatively close to Guanzhong. Jizhou is separated by the Taihang Mountains. Although the straight-line distance is relatively short, the traffic is even more inconvenient.


    These places that are closer to the Guanzhong Sanfu area are naturally more affected by Fei Qian. The disruption or even destruction of the relatively simple and stable production relations will first appear in these areas. The refugees from Jingzhou are considered to be the largest wave of refugees in the recent period. Afterwards, such a large-scale refugee wave will disappear, but small-scale incidents of civilian husbands fleeing in twos and threes still occur in these areas.


    When the people in these areas are under the triple exploitation of usury, labor rent, and industrial and commercial scissors, they are gradually exhausted and difficult to maintain. They either choose to take risks or choose to flee.


    Coupled with the intentional or unintentional propaganda arranged by Fei Qian, the infiltration and promotion of the new Taoism of the Five Gods, and the prosperity and stability of Guanzhong Sanfu, these people have become the direction of hope for these people. Through various channels, Flee from his homeland and go to Guanzhong.


    It is precisely because of this that life in the surrounding areas is becoming more and more difficult, and these Shandong gentry children are also hating more and more. They don''t know why there is such a change, or they are unwilling to find out. The times should never change, the law of the ancestors can be followed forever, and then they can naturally be the best of the world forever, free and easy.


    Lu Yu''s question was brought up, but Wang Chang, who was in the main discussion hall, did not immediately refute it.


    Wang Chang was thinking. He was considering whether Lu Yu really didn''t understand, or pretended not to. False ignorance is more disgusting and headache than true ignorance. If you really don’t understand, then you can talk about it, but if you don’t know it, then you can’t wake up a person who pretends to be asleep. , is a waste of words.


    These people in Qingliu have to say that they are progressive in some respects and represent a part of social conscience, but most of these guys often seem to never know how to implement it, and they are just talking in general.


    It is easy to talk empty words, and it is easy to find mistakes, but it is difficult to do things. Under any policy, under any system, there are beneficiaries and losers, just like "killer pays life", the most basic equal rights of the poor in human society, people are still unwilling to give it, and instigate some empty talkers to say what to kill Killers also have human rights, and not all murderers will die.


    Therefore, in the gentry areas of Shandong, they exaggerated the horror of the hussar general Fei Qian and the cruelty of the system, and magnified some problems in Guanzhong Sanfu to intimidate the people in their own family areas. Look, how terrible the hussars are! , or are we better here? Stay here honestly!


    In the farming society, the patience of farmers is very high. After all, there are acres of fields that cannot be parted, three or two thatched huts, wives, children, old parents, etc., so no matter how hard and tired they are, they will grit their teeth and hold on. After all, the emperor crops one crop after another, just like Zhuang He, this year is a disaster year, what if there is a bumper year next year? What if the next emperor is a Mingjun? What if there is a blue sky in the local counties?


    Even if these farmers know that this is just in case, it is still a hope after all.


    There is no property, no freedom, only tenants and slaves of labor, which is a little different. For these people who don''t have any savings and no worries, when they can''t help it, they are more prone to fluctuations than ordinary farmers, and it is not surprising that there are various small-scale escapes.


    Lu Yuzhi''s words can be regarded as a kind of **** decides the head. It''s not so wrong for him to think so.


    I won’t go into details about scholars, farmers, businessmen, but just say that this sage works with the people, regardless of high or low, and works with the same strength, um...


    And later let Hussar General Fei Qian make a profit, ha...


    Sounds really beautiful.


    In fact, it is a kind of "world harmony" imagined by the talkers.


    Or call it Utopia or whatever.


    If you want to talk about doing it yourself, Lu Yu really knows how to plow the fields!


    This may be related to Lu Zhi’s teaching and teaching, so Lu Yu believes that he can do "the sages and the people work together" and "work together with the same strength", so there is no reason why others can''t do it...


    After thinking about this, it is understandable for Lu Yuhui to ask such a question.


    But Wang Chang didn''t want to answer Lu Yu''s question directly. On the one hand, Wang Chang himself has not fully thought through these policies and methods of General Hussars. If he says something wrong, it will be even worse. There are too many things involved.


    But I had to answer again.


    So Wang Chang looked at Lu Yu, and said slowly: "Your brother, I visited the village in Guanzhong a few days ago, and in my opinion, are the people in the village in Guanzhong the same as the people in Yanyu?" 』


    This is a very important point.


    When debating, it is very taboo to talk about chicken and duck, or to change the original position casually when arguing, just like meeting a rich man who wants to talk about love, it is definitely not for money, but when meeting ordinary people, it is not for money. It is useless to say that you need feelings, you need money to feel safe.


    The structural system of the villages in Guanzhong is different from that of the gentry villages in Shandong. Even if the differences in politics are not mentioned, there are significant differences in productivity. Although there are also bachelors of agriculture and engineering in Yanzhou, Yuzhou and other places, most of those bachelors of agriculture and engineering are under the control of the children of the gentry, and it is difficult to truly be like Guanzhong Sanfu and other areas controlled by Feiqian. Really go to the fields.


    There is also agricultural technology. Guanzhong is the core area for bachelors of agriculture and bachelors of engineering. The continuous research and improvement of these aspects is also incomparable to the villages in the Shandong gentry area.


    Wang Chang knew this in his heart, and he said this now, but he wanted to test Lu Yu''s understanding of these situations. If Lu Yu pointed out that the two sides are in different situations and cannot be simply regarded as the same village, then Wang Chang needs to change. another strategy...


    But unfortunately, Lu Yu thought for a moment and agreed. "All the territory of the world is Han soil. The villages and villages in the world are all Han people. Although there is a difference in wealth, it seems to be the case. 』


    Wang Chang raised his eyebrows, as if he wanted to laugh, but he suppressed it. After coughing, he said, "The three assistants in Guanzhong, Henan, Hebei, Qingxu, and Qingxu are all Shenzhou. , the land in Guanzhong is also the same...Since it is the same, why is there a difference in what comes out of the place? It is not the level of land production, but the difference in grain prices in Zhuanghe. 』


    『Plowing an acre of land together and reaping a year’s harvest together, how can the people in the middle of the Guan get a lot of abundance, but in the land of Shandong, the people will suffer in poverty? According to the words of my virtuous brother, "restricting business, farming together, and sharing profits" can achieve great harmony in the world... Then why are the people in Shandong suffering and displaced? 』


    Wang Chang glanced at Lu Yu, "Could it be that ... the land of Shandong can''t be "restricted business, common farming, and profit sharing"?" 』


    Layers of bedding are basically dug a hole.


    In his hometown, Lu Yu did implement this system on the land belonging to the Lu family according to what he said, "restrict business, share farming, and share profits", and achieved good results. There was no dispute, no competition, All have reaped the fruits of their labor and gained peace.


    However, Lu Yu is still in a perceptual understanding of the world, of ordinary people, and of the root causes of social hardship.


    When Lu Yu was young, his father Lu Zhi passed away. Since he grew up in his teens, no one has given him guidance, no one has given him guidance. He has been to Yuzhou and Jizhou, and he has seen The decay of the court has seen the brutality of the local princes, the destruction of the small peasant economy by the merchants, and the escape of ordinary farmers under natural and man-made disasters.


    He believes that this is caused by human greed, so he wants to "restrict business, share farming, and share profits." In this way, everyone is in the same position, and everyone can get the income of his labor, so there is no profit. If there is no dissatisfaction and no war, the world can return to peace.


    Just like he did back home.


    But he overlooked one point, he is a gentry...


    And because of his father''s relationship, the experiment he did in his hometown was on the Lu family''s own fields, so no one hindered him, and even the other nobles who traded with him were at cost price or extremely low. of trading profits are in progress. For the sake of Lu Yu''s dead father, these gentry were even willing to pay for the transaction, as long as they got a compliment from Lu''s family, such as a comment like an honest gentleman, they would make a profit.


    But the peace and stability of Lu''s Land cannot represent other regions.


    Wang Chang did not say whether Guanzhong Sanfu could follow Lu Yu''s standards, but asked Lu Yu why the people under the gentry in Shandong were suffering more than Guanzhong, whether they were suffering because they did not follow Lu Yu''s standards, or Does it seem difficult to follow Lu Yu''s standards?


    If Lu Yu jumped off the hole Wang Chang dug and replied that he had followed the so-called Lu Yu''s standards, then what''s the problem with the situation being worse than Guanzhong? If the standard is not followed, then since Lu Yu thinks this standard is so good, why are the Shandong gentry unwilling to follow this standard?


    It doesn''t matter if Lu Yu changes direction and avoids the pit. Anyway, no matter how Lu Yu answers, it basically just goes around in Wang Chang''s palm.


    Lu Yu was silent for a moment, perhaps because he realized that the pit was deep, and he would not be able to climb out if he fell into it. After thinking for a moment, he said helplessly: "The tools used in the Guanzhong village are all beneficial, and the methods used are all to help the farmers." and also…"


    Sure enough.


    Wang Chang nodded slightly, "Since this is the case, where does the benefit come from?" So where does the help come from? Can the people of only one place have it? Salt and iron, cloth, curved shafts, columbine carts and other farm implements, if there is no merchant, how can you get them? 』


    『Cultivating with the people, you can get crops, but the people in Guanzhong are more abundant than in Shandong. They are not farmers in the two places. The difference in labor is not to seek the same, but to preserve the differences...』


    『Not seeking common ground? 』Lu Yu was a little hard to understand.


    Wang Chang nodded and said: "Your brother Liu Yi, can you shoot through it?" 』


    "Ok? ”Although he didn’t understand why Wang Chang asked this suddenly, Lu Yu still nodded and said, “I know a thing or two. 』


    『If there is a battle today, my virtuous brother and the elite archer both have a hundred arrows to retreat the enemy. Compared with the two, which one is better? ’ Wang Chang asked.


    If you talk about ten arrows and twenty arrows, Lu Yu might feel that they are evenly matched, but what about Baiya...


    Lu Yu coughed, and said: "Naturally, an elite archer will win. 』


    Wang Chang nodded, and said, "If there are a hundred volumes of books today, if you want to read them, it is still a good brother among elite archers, each holding a pen and ink, which one can win?" 』


    『This…』 Lu Yu seemed to understand a little bit, 『It should be that my younger brother is slightly better. 』


    『A ruler is short and an inch is long,’ Wang Chang said with a smile, 『So my virtuous brother plows an acre of land together, it’s like a beautiful jade next to a stone, um...so the theory of "co-cultivation" can be discarded...』


    Lu Yu froze for a moment, as if he wanted to say something, but he opened his mouth, but nothing came out.


    Small peasant economy, or manor economy, is doomed to be eliminated.


    Even if it is twins or multiple births, there are some differences, let alone ordinary people? Some people are good at this and some are good at that, it''s not even possible to be the same. The Shandong gentry has been advocating a small and comprehensive small-scale peasant economy for nothing more than to strengthen the rule, and turned a blind eye to this obvious need for social division of labor.


    Social division of labor will increase productivity, and the more refined the division of labor, the greater the increase in production efficiency. This is the most fundamental principle of the production line in later generations.


    Work hard and have class attributes.


    Similarly, social division of labor also has class attributes.


    If it is recognized that they are different and cannot be "same farming", then it is impossible to "restrict business". Businessmen are bridges to communicate with each other, and they are all restricted. Then how to solve the problem of differences?


    Lu Yu was silent for a long time, and then said: "Nowadays Guanzhong benefits the world, and the rest of the world is trapped... What''s more, the benefits of business are more important than those of farmers. If things go on like this, there will be many people who will abandon farmers. This is inappropriate for "sharing profits" Also, I don''t know if my brother can solve it? 』


    Wang Chang shook his head and said with a smile, "The disadvantage of "dividing the benefits" mentioned by my virtuous brother is not the disadvantage of hussars, but the fault of Shandong!" When the hussars benefited, they opened up mountains and ridges, crossed waters and built bridges, took in refugees, and reclaimed wasteland. Only then will there be the abundance of the current Sanfu, the beauty of Zhuanghe, and the joy of the people! 』


    "When the hussars gain advantage, there will be dense armored cavalry, rolling iron cavalry, and the front of the soldiers will point at them. The four seas are peaceful, the Baibo Black Mountain, the Xiongnu Xianbei, the Western Qiang and the Western Regions, and the Northern Region and Beimo. But with the banner of the Han Dynasty, it is the land of the Han Dynasty. , the majesty of a big man! 』


    "Hussars gain benefits, set up a school of agriculture and engineering, and build a museum of hundreds of medicines. Every year, children from poor families can learn from them, widows, widows, and lonely people can find peace, and those who die in war can have a good aftermath... just like Qinglong Temple, If it wasn''t built by hussars, how can you and I talk about it? 』


    『Therefore, the benefit of the hussars is beneficial to the world, but the people in Shandong are as profitable as the hussars? 』


    Lu Yu fell silent, speechless.


    Wang Chang looked at Lu Yu, was also silent for a while, and then said: "Your brother thinks about political abuses, and speaks out about his policies. Although flawed, they are also valuable... Today, the three assistants in Guanzhong are just like the rising sun. All walks of life, prefectures and counties Among them, there is an urgent need for talents... If you are interested, you might as well stay in Guanzhong, and you should get something..."


    The reason why Wang Chang is willing to debate with Lu Yu is not only because of Fan Yang Lu, but also because of his previous friendship, it is also to build momentum in advance.


    The open debate with Lu Yu is also for others to see...


    After all, there are many people like Lu Yu who are going to Chang''an after hearing that Qinglong Temple is about to discuss again and have an agenda to revise scripture annotations. Among these people, some people, like Lu Yu, had some misunderstandings about Guanzhong Sanfu and General Hussars.


    These misunderstandings, rather than fermenting in private, might as well take them out in the sun.


    Is it sterilized?


    ...


    Anyway, in such a debate, it''s good to win, but it doesn''t matter if you lose. After all, Lu Yu is young now. Isn''t it normal for young people to be immature and have insufficient cognition?


    already appeared on the stage.


    Wang Chang smiled slightly, raised his arms together with Lu Yu, then walked out, and suddenly saw Mi Heng behind the crowd, and nodded slightly as a signal.


    Ni Heng cupped his hands in return.


    『Huh? It''s You Zhengping! 』


    『Brother Zhengping, why don’t you go up and argue? ! 』


    『Zhengping! superior! 』


    "superior! Come on! 』


    Mi Heng turned his head, glanced at the few people who called him "up" just like calling a dog, fell silent for a while, then turned around and bowed his hands to Wang Chang and Lu Yu, then separated the crowd and said a word I left without posting.


    "Eh…"


    『Why did you just leave? 』


    『How can Zhengping be so cowardly? ! 』


    『Zhengping! Right... cut, coward! 』


    『That’s right, I thought You Zhengping was someone before Kui…』


    『It’s a fart…』


    『Chirp…』


    『What…』


    Wang Chang looked at Mi Heng''s back, smiled, and then bid farewell to Lu Yu and left...


    (end of this chapter)