Chapter 2410 is a character
The debate in Qinglong Temple is still going on.
Sometimes the debate is about clarifying the truth, but sometimes it is not. Just like there is a saying that "don''t shout loudly when you are right", but in many cases it is "a child who cries gets milk".
Is it a contradiction? In fact, it is not a contradiction either.
Just like Lu Yu, the moment seems to be for debate, but not entirely for debate.
?Lu Zhi is an upright person, but he is not infinitely upright.
The same is true for Lu Yu.
??Lu Zhi would speak out when he encountered someone he didn''t like. Even if he offended the emperor and eunuchs, he would not be afraid, but he would feel that the momentum was wrong and return home angrily.
As for Lu Yu, it’s almost the same...
But both father and son have a problem, that is, they only think that "clear flow" is the last word.
The problem is that in this world, clean flow is not a "hard truth" at all. Just like many people like to comment on something from a high position, but they don''t know that most of the time, it''s only half a bucket of water that makes the water slosh more and more. These people of the Qing Dynasty in the Han Dynasty gave themselves some title because they thought they were such a person, so they gave more and more advice and spoke passionately.
In the early days of Qingliu, it was true that it was worried about the country and wanted to help the big men. However, any organization that can generate profits will inevitably inevitably be speculators who come for profit. If they cannot be vigilant, they will eventually become a tool for fighting for power.
Times are developing and society is moving forward. The whole world is in the chaos of great changes, not only Guanzhong Sanfu, but other places are also changing.
? Xuzhou, Yanzhou and Yuzhou areas are among the gentry areas in Shandong and are relatively close to Guanzhong. Jizhou is separated by the Taihang Mountains. Although the straight-line distance is relatively close, transportation and other aspects are even more inconvenient.
These places that are closer to the Sanfu area in Guanzhong are naturally more affected by Feiqian. When the originally relatively simple and stable production relations are disrupted or even destroyed, they will first appear in these areas. The refugees in Jingzhou can be regarded as the largest refugee wave in recent times. Such large-scale refugee waves have disappeared since then, but small-scale escapes of civilians in twos and threes still occur in these areas.
??When the people in these areas were subjected to the triple exploitation of usury, hard rent, and industrial and commercial scissors, they were gradually drained of their bones and blood and found it difficult to maintain. They either chose to take risks or fled.
Coupled with the intentional or unintentional propaganda arranged by Fei Qian before, the infiltration and promotion of the New Taoism of the Five Gods, and the prosperity and stability of the three assistants in Guanzhong, these people have become the direction of hope. Through various channels, Escape from your homeland and go to Guanzhong.
It is precisely because of this that life in the surrounding areas is getting harder and harder, and the children of these Shandong gentry are becoming more and more resentful. They don''t know why there are such changes, or they are unwilling to find out. They just think about retro and let Times should never change. The laws of their ancestors can be practiced for all generations, and then they can naturally be the superiors of others and be at ease for all generations.
?Lu Yu’s question was raised, but Wang Chang, who was in the main discussion hall, did not immediately refute it.
Wang Chang is thinking. He was considering whether Lu Yu really didn''t understand, or whether he was pretending not to. Fake ignorance is more disgusting and troublesome than true ignorance. If you really don’t understand, then you can talk about it a little bit. But if you are fake ignorance, then no matter how much you talk, it’s like you can’t wake up a person who is pretending to sleep. , is a waste of breath.
These people in Qingliu have to say that they are progressive in some aspects and represent a part of social conscience. However, most of these guys never seem to know how to implement it and are just talking in general terms.
It is easy to talk and find faults, but it is difficult to do things. Under any policy or system, there are beneficiaries and losers. Just like "the person who kills must pay for his life", the most basic principle of equal rights for the poor in human society, there are still people who are unwilling to give it and instigate some empty talkers to express what killing means. People also have human rights, and those who kill may not necessarily die.
Therefore, in the noble areas of Shandong, they exaggerated and publicized the horror of General Fei Qian of the Hussars, the brutality of the system, and magnified some of the problems that occurred in the three assistants of Guanzhong to intimidate the people in their own areas. See how terrible the tactics of the Hussars are. , or is it better here? Stay here honestly!
In a farming society, farmers are very tolerant. After all, they have acres of land they can’t part with, three or two thatched houses with tiled roofs, wives, children, parents, etc. Therefore, no matter how hard or tired they are, they will grit their teeth and hold on. After all, the emperor keeps growing crops one after another, just like Zhuang He. This year is a year of disaster. What if there is a good year next year? What if the next emperor is a wise king? What if a blue sky comes up in the local counties?
Even though these farmers know that this is just a possibility, it is still a hope after all.
The situation is somewhat different for tenants and slaves who have no assets, no freedom, and only labor power. For these people who have no savings and no worries, when they can''t help it, they are more prone to fluctuations than ordinary farmers, and it is not surprising that various small-scale escapes occur.
?Lu Yuzhi’s words can be regarded as a kind of **** that determines the head. He would think so, but it''s actually not that wrong.
I won’t go into details about scholars, farmers, industry and merchants, but let’s just say that these wise men farmed with the people, regardless of high or low, working together and working together, well...
??And later let the hussar general Fei Qian give in to the advantage, ha...
Sounds really beautiful.
In fact, it is a kind of "university under heaven" dreamed up by talkers.
Or it can be called Utopia or whatever.
??As far as putting it into practice, Lu Yu really knows how to work in the fields!
?This may be related to Lu Zhi’s teachings and teachings, so Lu Yu thought that he could achieve the goal of "sages working together with the people" and "working together with the people", so there is no reason why others can''t do it...
After thinking about this, it is understandable that Lu Yu would raise such a question.
But for Lu Yu’s question, Wang Chang didn’t want to answer it directly. On the one hand, Wang Chang himself has not fully thought about these policies and methods of the Hussars General. If he makes a mistake, it will be even worse. On the other hand, these issues cannot be explained clearly in one or two sentences. There are too many things involved.
But I had to answer.
?So Wang Chang looked at Lu Yu and said slowly: "My dear brother, I visited the villages in Guanzhong a few days ago. In my opinion, are the people in the villages in Guanzhong the same as the people in Yanyu?" 』
This is a very important point.
When debating, it is very taboo to talk to each other, or to change the original position casually when arguing. It is like meeting a rich man who wants to have a relationship, and it is definitely not for money, but then meeting ordinary people, they will It''s useless to say you need feelings. You need money to feel safe.
The structural system of the villages in Guanzhong is different from that of the gentry villages in Shandong. Even if we don’t talk about political differences, there are significant differences in productivity. Although Yanzhou, Yuzhou and other places also have bachelors of agriculture and bachelors of engineering, most of those bachelors of agriculture and bachelors of engineering are under the control of the descendants of the gentry, and it is difficult to truly be like the areas controlled by Sanfu in Guanzhong and other areas controlled by Fei Qian. Really go out into the fields.
There are also agricultural technologies. Guanzhong is the core area for agricultural and engineering bachelors. The continuous research and improvement in these aspects are also unmatched by the villages in the gentry area of ??Shandong.
Wang Chang knew this in his heart, and he said this now just to test Lu Yu''s understanding of these situations. If Lu Yu proposed that the situations on both sides are different and cannot simply be regarded as the same village, then Wang Chang needs to change Another strategy...
But unfortunately, Lu Yu thought for a moment and actually agreed. "Everywhere in the world is Han territory." All the villages in the world are Han people. Although there are some differences in wealth, they still seem to be the same. 』
Wang Chang moved his eyebrows, as if he wanted to smile, but suppressed it. After coughing, he said: "The three assistants in Guanzhong, Qingxu in Henan, Hebei, etc. are all in China, and they are divided into prefectures and counties in the Han Dynasty." , the land in Guanzhong is also the same... Since it is the same, why is the origin of the land so different? It''s not the level of farm output, but the difference in the price of Zhuanghe grain. 』
dingy of the same harvest in the same year, how can the common people in the Guanzhong land be rich and prosperous, but in the land of Shandong, the common people are in poverty? If we follow the wise brother''s words, "limiting business, farming together, and dividing profits" can lead to great unity in the world... Then why are the people in Shandong so miserable and homeless? 』
Wang Chang looked at Lu Yu and asked, "Could it be that... the land of Shandong cannot be "limited to business, farming together, and profit sharing"? 』
? Laying the ground layer by layer basically means you have dug a hole.
In his hometown, Lu Yu indeed implemented this system on the land belonging to the Lu family in accordance with what he said, "limiting business, sharing farming, and dividing profits", and achieved good results. There was no dispute or competition. All people have gained the fruits of their labor and gained peace.
However, it can be said that Lu Yu still has a perceptual understanding of the world, ordinary people, and the source of the hardships of the entire society.
When Lu Yu was young, his father Lu Zhi died. As he grew from a teenager to the present, no one gave him guidance or guidance. He went to Yuzhou and Jizhou, and he saw We have seen the decay of the court, the cruelty of local princes, the destruction of the small peasant economy by businessmen, and the flight of ordinary farmers due to natural and man-made disasters.
He believes that this is caused by human greed, so he must "limit business, farm together, and distribute profits." In this case, everyone will be in the same position, and everyone can get the income from his labor, and there will be no With dissatisfaction and war gone, the world can return to peace.
Just like he did back home.
But he overlooked one point, he is a nobleman...
And because of his father''s relationship, the experiments he conducted in his hometown were on the Lu family''s own land, so no one interfered with him. Even other nobles who traded with him were at cost prices or very low prices. Trading profits are being made. For the sake of Lu Yu''s dead father, these nobles were even willing to make a deal. As long as they received praise from Lu, such as being an honest gentleman, they would make a profit.
But the peace and stability of the Lushi land cannot represent other regions. Wang Chang did not say whether the three assistants in Guanzhong could do things according to Lu Yu''s standards, but asked Lu Yu why the people under the Shandong gentry were more miserable than those in Guanzhong. Is it because they were not doing things according to Lu Yu''s standards? It seems difficult to do it according to Lu Yu''s standards?
??If Lu Yu jumped into the pit dug by Wang Chang and replied that he had done it according to the so-called Lu Yu''s standards, what would be the problem if he was in a worse situation than Guanzhong? If the standards were not followed, then since Lu Yu thought the standards were so good, why were the Shandong gentry unwilling to follow such standards?
??It doesn''t matter if Lu Yu changes direction and avoids the pit. Anyway, no matter how Lu Yu answers, it will basically be in the palm of Wang Chang''s hand.
Lu Yu was silent for a moment. Perhaps he realized that the pit was quite deep and he would not be able to climb out if he fell in. After pondering for a moment, he said helplessly: "In Guanzhong Village, all the tools used are beneficial, and all the methods used are helpful to farmers." also…"
Sure enough.
?Wang Chang nodded slightly, "In this case, where does the benefit come from?" Where does the help come from? Can the people of only one place have all these things? If there is no trade, how can we get the farm tools such as salt, iron, cloth, bent shafts, columbians, etc.? 』
"You can harvest crops by farming with the people. However, the people in Guanzhong are more prosperous than those in Shandong, and they are not farmers in the two places. The work is different. This is not to seek the same, but to keep the differences..."
『Not seeking common ground? ” Lu Yu was a little hard to understand.
??Wang Chang nodded and said, "Xiandi, can you master the six arts?" 』
"Um? "Although he didn''t understand why Wang Chang suddenly asked this, Lu Yu still nodded and said, "I understand a little bit. 』
“If there is a war today, and the wise brother and the elite archers both have a hundred arrows to drive back the enemy army, I dare to ask which one is better than the two? ” Wang Chang asked.
??If it were said that there were ten or twenty arrows, Lu Yu might still feel that there was no distinction between them, but what about a hundred arrows...
?Lu Yu coughed and said, "The best archers will win." 』
??Wang Chang nodded and said, "If there are hundreds of volumes of books now, and I want to come to them, who can win if there are still wise brothers and elite archers, each holding pen and ink?" 』
"This..." Lu Yu seemed to understand a little, "My younger brother should be slightly better." 』
“A ruler is short and an inch is long,” Wang Chang said with a smile, “So good brothers tilling acres of land together are like beautiful jade beside rocks. Well...so the theory of "ploughing together" can be discarded..."
?Lu Yu was stunned for a moment, as if he wanted to say something, but when he opened his mouth, nothing came out.
The small-scale peasant economy, or manor economy, is destined to be eliminated.
Even among twins or multiples, there are some differences, let alone ordinary people? Some people are good at this, some are good at that, it’s impossible to be the same. The Shandong gentry have always advocated a small and comprehensive small-scale peasant economy, just to strengthen their rule, turning a blind eye to this obvious need for social division of labor.
Social division of labor will increase productivity. The more detailed the division of labor, the greater the improvement in production efficiency. This is the most fundamental principle of the production assembly line in later generations.
Hard work has class attributes.
Similarly, social division of labor also has class attributes.
If it is recognized that everyone is different and cannot "farm together", then it is impossible to "restrict business". Businessmen are the bridges to exchange what is needed and what is not, so how can we solve the problem of differences if they are all restricted?
Lu Yu was silent for a long time, and then said: "Now that Guanzhong is benefiting the world, the remaining land is trapped...Moreover, the profits of business are now twice as important as those of farmers. If things go on like this, many people will abandon farmers. This is called "dividing profits" and is not right. Also, I wonder if my brother has any solution? 』
Wang Chang shook his head and said with a smile, "The disadvantages of "dividing profits" mentioned by my wise brother are not the disadvantages of Hussar, but Shandong''s fault! When the hussar is successful, he can open up mountains and ridges, cross rivers and build bridges, shelter refugees, and reclaim wasteland. Only then can we have the prosperity of the three auxiliaries, the beauty of the crops, and the happiness of the people! 』
"When the hussar is successful, there will be thick armor, the iron cavalry is rolling, the front of the soldiers is pointed, the sea is peaceful, the white waves are black, the Xiongnu is Xianbei, the Western Qiang is in the west, and the northern desert is in the north. But if there is the banner of the Han Dynasty, it is the land of the Han Dynasty , the power of the Han Dynasty! 』
"The hussars are prosperous, a school for agriculture and industry is established, and a museum for hundreds of medicines is built. Year by year, children from poor families can seek education, widows and widowers can find their own peace, and those who died in war can have their aftermath... It is like the place of Qinglong Temple. If it was not built by hussars, why would you and I care about it? 』
“Therefore, if the hussar is successful, it will be beneficial to the world. However, if the people in Shandong are as profitable as the hussar?” 』
?Lu Yu fell silent, speechless.
Wang Chang looked at Lu Yu, was silent for a while, and then said: "A wise brother thinks about the political shortcomings and talks about his strategies. Although there are flaws, it is also valuable... Today, the three assistants in Guanzhong are like the rising sun, all walks of life, counties and counties Among them, there is an urgent need for talented people... If my brother is interested, he might as well stay in Guanzhong, and he should be able to gain something..."
??The reason why Wang Chang was willing to debate with Lu Yu was not only because of the Lu family in Fan Yang, but also because of his previous friendship, and also to build momentum in advance.
??The public debate with Lu Yu was also for others to see...
After all, there are many people like Lu Yu who rushed to Chang''an after hearing that Qinglong Temple was about to hold another lecture and revise the annotations on the scriptures. Among these people, some people, like Lu Yu, would naturally have some misunderstandings about the three assistants in Guanzhong and the hussar general.
Rather than fermenting in private, these misunderstandings should be brought out in the sun.
Is it sterilization or disinfection?
??Lu Yu gave up his hand and did not continue to stalk. He acknowledged Wang Chang''s remarks and said he would continue to stay in Chang''an...
??Anyway, in this kind of debate, it would be nice to win, but it doesn’t really matter if you lose. After all, Lu Yu is young at the moment. Isn’t it normal for young people to have immature thoughts and insufficient cognition?
has already appeared on the stage.
?Wang Chang smiled slightly, raised his arms with Lu Yu, and then walked outside. Suddenly he saw Mi Heng behind the crowd, and nodded slightly.
Mi Heng returned the favor.
eh? It’s you Zhengping! 』
Brother Zhengping, why don’t you go up and argue? ! 』
Zhengping! superior! 』
"superior! Come on! 』
Mi Heng turned his head and glanced at the people who just called him "Come on" as if they were commanding a dog. He was silent for a while, then turned around and cupped his hands to Wang Chang and Lu Yu, then separated the crowd and said something. The one who didn’t send it left.
eh…』
Why did you just leave like that? 』
How can Zhengping be so timid? ! 』
Zhengping! That''s right, coward! 』
That is, I thought you were a person before, Zhengping...』
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?Wang Chang looked at Mi Heng’s back, smiled, and then said goodbye to Lu Yu and left...
(End of this chapter)