Chapter 3486 A different choice
Zhao Yun was a little surprised.
He didn''t expect Liu Ye to actually say this...
Everyone looks at the problem from a different perspective. If Liu Ye spoke completely from the standpoint of Shandong, then Zhao Yun would naturally not want to listen. However, what Liu Ye said was very objective and practical, which had to make Zhao Yun think. .
Because he is Zhao Yun.
If it were an ordinary military commander, even if Liu Ye could understand what he said, but after thinking for a while he couldn''t understand it, he would naturally give up.
Zhao Yun likes to think, likes to learn, and is good at summarizing. When a problem is placed in front of him, Zhao Yun''s choice is to try to think and find the answer first, instead of avoiding or shelving it directly.
Liu Ye looked at Zhao Yun''s expression and smiled slightly.
The rhetoric he had prepared along the way has now been completely abandoned. What he was talking to Zhao Yun now were all temporary thoughts before he came to see Zhao Yun.
Liu Ye knew what he came to Youzhou for, but after going through all the hard work to get to Jixian, he encountered such a snow disaster. After seeing the Hussars gathering for disaster relief and restoring order, his mentality changed slightly. .
People in Shandong say that the northern part of Guanzhong is full of barbarian habits and has a fishy smell. But now when the land of Youzhou is suffering, where are those elegant and famous people?
Do the people of Youzhou need the people of Shandong more now, with their graceful demeanor, or do they need the Hussars to have some food and clothing to survive this severe winter, even though they are not polite?
What is a big man?
Maybe there are different answers in different people''s minds.
However, for the children of the gentry, especially the royal family members, the mysterious veil on the emperor may not be of much use.
The same goes for Liu Ye.
He had met the emperor and knew what kind of person the emperor Liu Xie was.
If it were a time of peace and prosperity, then Emperor Liu Xie would have been a good emperor.
Because in times of peace, all order is basically stable. The less the emperor interferes, there will be fewer local problems in counties and counties. Except for the emperor’s order to call for disaster relief in times of disaster, other things can generally be done within counties and counties. Dealt with it.
But in the current turmoil in the world, the emperor''s lack of ability is very fatal.
If the emperor cannot win over the hearts of the princes, he will inevitably be unable to control the local chaos.
Moreover, it is not easy for Liu Ye to directly discuss these issues with Emperor Liu Xie!
One aspect is that if Liu Ye said it, if something went wrong and Liu Xie couldn''t protect Liu Ye, wouldn''t this mean that Liu Ye was seeking death?
Another aspect is that even if Liu Ye is not afraid of death and speaks out, but Liu Xie doesn''t understand it, or understands it but doesn''t act on it, doesn''t it mean it has no effect?
Therefore, Liu Ye''s attitude towards the emperor Liu Xie is actually similar to his performance in history. He just clicks on one sentence and stops at the point. He doesn''t say much, doesn''t explain much, and doesn''t force much.
The emperor asked him to come to Zhao Yun with the edict, and Liu Ye followed the order.
So it can be said that after arriving in Jixian, Liu Ye''s mission is basically over, and what is left is just some finishing matters. As for whether Zhao Yun is willing to accept the edict, that is Zhao Yun''s business. Liu Ye cannot control it, and he cannot replace Zhao Yun. Sign the edict.
The reason why Liu Ye did not return immediately was because he also wanted to take this opportunity to meet Zhao Yun and learn more about the situation of the Hussars more intuitively, so as to avoid missing out on celebrities after asking questions after returning. But when he actually saw the Hussars treating these Youzhou people, his heart was touched.
Liu Ye is a clan member of the royal family, but is his clan...
As for a noble family, there is no mention of it.
So Liu Ye didn''t just stand on a high place and sigh with emotion. He took off his brocade robe, picked up his pen and ink, and handled affairs with the junior officials in the Hussars...
Liu Ye felt that the Hussars were different from what he originally imagined.
In turn, it was Liu Ye''s behavior that made Zhao Yun feel that Liu Ye was different from those Shandong celebrities.
Only then did Zhao Yun meet Liu Ye, and only now did Liu Ye "point" to Zhao Yun...
Liu Ye''s words were not many, but they were all on the main points.
Youzhou belongs to the border area, and its status is actually similar to that of Bingzhou and Liangzhou.
The reason why it is better than Bingliang is just because the distance between Youzhou and Jizhou is relatively close. The people of Jizhou are afraid that once they completely lose Youzhou, they will lose the barrier to the north, so their attitude towards Youzhou is not the same as that of Bingliang. He was treated so indifferently.
Jizhou people think that a little Youzhou is enough, so for Liaodong, the Lelang area is dispensable.
People in the Yuzhou area feel that it doesn''t matter if Youzhou disappears. Anyway, if the sky falls, won''t there still be Jizhou people to hold it up?
Due to the rise of the landlord class, the gentry in the entire Central Plains of Han Dynasty lost interest in the frontier land where farming was difficult and it was difficult to produce high-yielding crops, so they did not want to expand externally at all.
On the contrary, because the frontiers were bitterly cold and life was difficult, during the feudal dynasty, once the forces on the frontiers expanded, whether internal or external, they would surely erode the Central Plains due to this unequal treatment.
Don''t worry about scarcity but inequality.
This is something the ancestors of China understood, but the Gini index is still rising crazily in every feudal dynasty!
Liu Ye pointed out this problem.
The Hussars grew up on the borders of the Han Dynasty, in areas despised by the Central Plains, and their strategies were also biased towards the forgotten people who had been oppressed before, so it was like Zhao Yun treating these disaster-stricken people here in Youzhou , support and response will come quickly.
But…
Jizhou was not affected by the disaster.
Those large and small landlords who have been watching the decline of the frontiers with arms folded and cold eyes since the Han Dynasty, at least after Liu Xiu established his capital in Luoyang for three to four hundred years, as well as those who have enjoyed the preferential treatment of the gentry and are entrenched in the bureaucracy and government agencies, will be willing to accept the hussar system?
Seeing Zhao Yun''s silence, Liu Ye did not wait for Zhao Yun''s answer, and continued: "Since Hussar was established in Guanzhong, those who surrender to Hussar are in a poor family." Zheng Gong has been tossed around the North Sea many times, and Shui Jing and Jingzhou have been wandering around, but they are not accepted in the Central Plains. It’s not a bad thing, but it’s just like the people in a disaster who have enough food and clothing! But what about Jiyu? If you deprive them of food and clothing, you will hate them. If you want to satisfy it, you will feel lonely and resentful. A general''s wisdom can tell the difference. 』
Although Liu Ye did not speak very clearly and did not refine an accurate expression, he undoubtedly pointed out the biggest contradiction between Guanzhong and Shandong at the moment, which is the different production systems and production relations!
Some people in later generations said that the gentry clan only existed during the Jin and Tang Dynasties, but in fact this was not the case. Everything has stages of derivative development, and one section or one point in time cannot be taken to represent the whole thing. Yes, during the Jin and Tang Dynasties, the gentry clan was indeed the strongest and most representative, but tracing its roots, it was born during the Han Dynasty, especially during the Eastern Han Dynasty...
During the Eastern Han Dynasty, land annexation resulted in the emergence of large and small landowners. At the same time, because books were rare, Confucian classics were basically circulated within the family. Or we can call it a circle, that is, a teacher-student relationship, or a mentorship.
The large and small landlord class monopolizes the means of production and restricts the spread of knowledge, and governing the country requires these two aspects, so it is equivalent to monopolizing bureaucratic positions.
During the Han Dynasty, it was natural for the entire family to become officials, for one family to occupy an area, and for a newborn to receive benefits even if he or she was of working age. As these gentry, squires, and landowners grew in size, they naturally spoke for their class in the court and fought for more interests. By the time of Emperor Ling of the Han Dynasty, these people wanted money, people, officials, and culture. If you have culture and you need force and force, what else do you need the court for?
Emperor Ling of the Han Dynasty wanted to control it, but he couldn''t control it anymore.
Zhao Yun obviously couldn''t solve such a problem, so Zhao Yun remained silent and frowned.
"Under the Qiusi, there are people from Jingxiang and Yingchuan," Liu Ye said slowly. "When the Qiusi occupy Guanzhong, the people from Jingxiang and Yingchuan can work together to cover Guanzhong. Jingxiang, Yingchuan, are all foreign enemies. However, if Qiao rides into the Central Plains... what is outside and what is inside? When Jingxiang came to seek help from Jingxiang, when Yingchuan came to worship Yingchuan, and now in the Central Plains of Han Dynasty and in Shandong, there is a conflict between the sects. What is the difference? 』
Zhao Yun frowned and said, "If the people in Shandong are so ignorant, they just want to eliminate the bad and keep the good, so why not?" 』
Liu Ye said calmly: "People from Shandong, at this moment, have many types of Liubo." If we say good and bad, that is not necessarily true. There are six bets and six bets. Can bets be divided into good and bad? The men of Yingchuan were under the Prime Minister, and they planned for the Prime Minister. They returned to the place where the hussars were riding, and they gave advice to the hussars. Their strategies could be described as high or low. However, wouldn''t it be absurd to judge the good from the bad by this line of conduct? 』
After any class is satisfied with food and clothing, it will inevitably seek more benefits and greater authority.
This is a necessity.
Because as long as there is exploitation and a system for extracting surplus value in human society, there will inevitably be this problem.
A noble family, a powerful family, grew up from the blood of the Han Dynasty, and tasted the sweet taste of monopolizing the political and economic fields, how could they give up so easily?
Liu Ye''s meaning is very simple. Those noblemen who can cooperate with the Hussar are not because they completely support the Hussar system, but because their families are spreading their bets, just like chips on Liubo. .
There is also fierce competition among powerful families, such as those families that previously bet their money on the Yuan family...
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If the pressure hits, the pot will be full, but if the pressure fails, the family will go bankrupt.
This is where the interests of the nobles and the princes are consistent. Therefore, Liu Ye said that there is political harmony in the Hussars and the factions cooperate with each other. That is because it is when the profits are high, just like when Yuan Shao was not a model for the world?
"The current decline of the Prime Minister is not because of the Prime Minister''s inability, but because of what the Prime Minister can do." Liu Ye shook his head slightly and said, "If the prime minister can''t do it and divides power among the counties, it will be praised by the world!" And now that the Prime Minister is evil towards Shandong, he wants to gather the power of Shandong to fight against Guanzhong! What Shandong hates is not Guanzhong, but the word "collection"! I dare to ask the general, if the Hussar can capture the Central Plains, is it possible or impossible? To be evil or not to be evil? 』
The noble family hopes to assist a "wise king" and maximize their value. However, after assisting a wise king, conflicts of interest will inevitably arise. The local tycoons hope that there will be a monarch like Emperor Wen of Han and Emperor Guangwu who will reduce the military, simplify administration, recuperate, and pay attention to farming. Then the interests of the landlord class can be greatly guaranteed.
To put it simply, these local nobles hope to be a "bright king", but at the same time they also want to be a "weak king"!
Because the economic foundation of the clan is the manor economy created by annexing large amounts of land. The objects of their annexation are the yeoman farmers, and the yeoman farmers are the fundamental economic foundation of the central royal family. The central government''s taxes and military service need to be borne by the yeoman farmers. This makes the manor economy of the clan and the economy of the central government completely conflict with each other. .
So in history, when Cao Wei began to crack down on the powerful and strengthen the centralization of power, the noble families began to be dissatisfied. Later, the Sima family jumped out. Each of these powerful nobles either helped Sima cover up, or simply supported it secretly. Do you really think that if Sima raises his arms and shouts, dead soldiers will gather? Raising dead warriors also requires money, time and place. Guess why Cao was so vigilant and checked Sima''s house several times, why couldn''t he find out where these dead warriors were hiding?
In the Hussars, they now belong to the small powerful class, the small landlord class, representatives of the poor, and the children of the side branches. Unlike the aristocratic families, these people are a combination of big bureaucrats and big families. Their demands for power are not high for the time being. It''s a duty In fact, because the elites who were born as small landowners have no way out and their upward path is blocked, they are eager for opportunities, hoping that a wise king can promote them, hoping to break through the monopoly of the officialdom by the big gentry and powerful people, and get the opportunity to achieve success.
"The people of Youzhou have no food and clothing today but seek food and clothing, and tomorrow they have food and clothing and seek family property," Liu Ye said, "If Youzhou is like this, why not be like this in the world?" What the hussar can do can be sufficient for Guanzhong and Youzhou, but can it be sufficient for the whole world? 』
Liu Ye said "people", but in fact all these "people" do not refer to civilians.
Although history is actually created by the people, neither Liu Ye nor Zhao Yun have this awareness at the moment.
Zhao Yun, like a small group of other elites, initially pushed them to join the melee in the late Han Dynasty. It was not some lofty ideals, but mostly the desire to be able to "land to the tiller", so that they could work in peace and contentment. Days are enough…
But now has Zhao Yun thought about taking a step further?
some.
What about everyone else?
"Why did Emperor Xiaoling appoint the Eighth School Lieutenant of Xiyuan?" Liu Ye said, "It''s just that the superior wants to control the army and control the place." Why was Houxi Garden abandoned? Is it because the one entrusted to you by God is not a human being? This is only 1/2 out of 10! The fatigue of Xiyuan is a soldier! The Western Garden is about to be established, where will the soldiers come from? They are local people. Does the local government want to build a Western Garden? If the filial piety is not established, the prime minister cannot do it, but if the hussar is established, what can he do? 』
Zhao Yun frowned.
On the surface, Liu Ye was just talking about Emperor Ling of the Han Dynasty, but Zhao Yun knew what Liu Ye really wanted to say...
The foundation of the central royal family in all dynasties lies in the control of military power. By the end of the Eastern Han Dynasty, the Han Dynasty wanted to regain military power, but in fact the family quickly rebounded and the plan failed. This is something everyone knows, but what Liu Ye said The second half of what he said was something Zhao Yun didn''t expect.
The reason why Emperor Ling of the Han Dynasty failed was not only because of his own abilities, nor because he asked a **** to manage the army. The more important factor in the failure was that if Emperor Ling of the Han Dynasty wanted to rebuild an army, he needed soldiers who could serve. and the food and fodder supplies to support this army. To put it simply, there must be enough peasants to pay taxes and serve. However, at this time, the peasants in the countryside were divided into chaos due to the merger of clans. The state and county officials responsible for taxation and the grassroots officials in the army were also disciples of the clans and were loyal to the clans. How could he support Emperor Ling of the Han Dynasty to successfully recruit soldiers after passing the imperial court?
Therefore, the Eighth School Lieutenant of Xiyuan is broken from the root!
So what about Cao Cao and Fei Qian?
Where do the roots of Cao Cao and Fei Qian, that is, the source of their troops come from?
Obviously, Cao Cao''s foundation is the 300,000 Qingzhou Yellow Turbans.
Although on the surface it seems that Cao Cao controlled these Qingzhou soldiers, from another perspective, did these Qingzhou Yellow Turbans also realize their original desire to obtain the means of production and live in an orderly manner? Did these Qingzhou soldiers, under Cao Cao, break the chain of land control originally held by local powerful families?
The situation with hussar is similar.
The first wave of Feiqian''s demographic dividend was fed by the refugees from Heluo, the Baibo Army, and then the Black Mountain bandits. These people laid the foundation for Feiqian''s military strength. The Xiliang Army and Bingzhou veterans who were later admitted, however, It is the icing on the cake on these foundations.
Therefore, Liu Ye believes that Fei Qian''s and Cao Cao''s soldier structures are actually similar.
The same problems that Cao Cao is encountering in Shandong are the same problems that Fei Qian will encounter when he comes. When the time comes, will Fei Qian accept the troops in Shandong or not?
Accept, there will definitely be a problem.
If you don’t accept it, problems will also arise.
After Liu Ye said this, he stopped and said no more.
Just like Liu Ye''s previous habit, he just "pointed out" the problem...
This is actually a habit of "Shandong celebrities". They will tell the problem, and it is often free at this time. But if they want to solve the problem, either they can''t solve it, or they need to pay an additional price. After all, knowledge is a very expensive thing in Shandong.
Zhao Yun frowned and thought, then suddenly smiled after a moment, shook his head and said: "What you said, sir, is indeed to the point... However, you overlooked one thing..."
Liu Ye was stunned for a moment and couldn''t help but ask: "What''s the omission?" 』
Zhao Yun stretched out his hand, first pressed it from top to bottom, and then raised it from bottom to top, "In Shandong, soldiers and people are mostly selected from top to bottom, but in Guanzhong, it is from bottom to top. Choose armies and officials! What a difference! 』
This time it was Liu Ye who was stunned.
He originally came to see Zhao Yun. Although he did not bring an edict, he actually wanted to use words to sway Zhao Yun''s mind, so what he said was true and false. He originally thought that even if Zhao Yun could find a flaw in it, it would be something later. , Liu Ye can take this opportunity to learn more information, and then find more loopholes, which can become his bargaining chip, whether he continues to bet in Shandong or moves to Hussar. There is a higher position…
But Liu Ye never expected that such a general who looked ordinary in appearance, had thick hands and feet, and did not look like a scribe at all, could think so quickly and have such strong insight!